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  • Anyone know the ratios and fd's for the MA box range??

    Been having a look for the ratios and fd's but cant find it. I know mark has the page on here with the xsi's and rallyes and 16v's. BUT, i cant find any low millage versions of those, yet 1.4 and 1.6 box's from c3's with like 10k are aplenty, and also some 1.1 saxo/106 boxes about. need to find some info on these tho??? anybody able to help??

    cheers.

  • #2
    The Peugeot parts CD has the final drives, gear ratios and codes on it. Might be worth finding a Citroen to broaden your search.

    Are you after a box with similar fd to the S1 XSi and Rallye?
    N reg White S1 106 Rallye - Out of sight, out of mind
    K reg Grey 106 XSi 16v - Going nowhere fast
    R reg Blue VW Caravelle VR6 - Gas guzzing camper
    08 reg Dark Grey Honda FR-V - Vtec! Sort of...

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    • #3
      ah cool, my mate at work has the peugeot parts cd's, ill check um out.

      yeah i would like to get a low millage mint box (with the std 'performance' variant of ratios) but swap the FD for the 1.4xsi or 1.3 rallye. no need for me to do a theoretical 158!!
      i suppose i could just get either of those box's and have them rebuilt, but i hear often rebuilt box's just dont every last the same.???? not sure tho myself as no direct exp with a rebuild?

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      • #4
        Just had a quick look at the final drives, there's a few 206's that use the 14x60 and 13x59 fd, 306's with 14x60 and even a 1.0 106 with ultra short 13x64. Not sure on gear ratios yet though.
        N reg White S1 106 Rallye - Out of sight, out of mind
        K reg Grey 106 XSi 16v - Going nowhere fast
        R reg Blue VW Caravelle VR6 - Gas guzzing camper
        08 reg Dark Grey Honda FR-V - Vtec! Sort of...

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        • #5
          Quick update, best match so far is the gearbox used on 1.6 206's (code CD32), all the ratios match the 1.3 Rallye gearbox but fd is something like 17x64. There are a few later 1.4 106's with the same gear ratios as well.
          N reg White S1 106 Rallye - Out of sight, out of mind
          K reg Grey 106 XSi 16v - Going nowhere fast
          R reg Blue VW Caravelle VR6 - Gas guzzing camper
          08 reg Dark Grey Honda FR-V - Vtec! Sort of...

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          • #6
            ah good to know, looks like ill end up buying 2 box's tho! one for the 59 FD and another with the correct ratios!

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            • #7
              Dont all the sporty 106's use the same ratios and only the FD's change?

              What are you looking for exactly Rich?

              The worst thing with the MA boxes is the big hole between 1st & 2nd gear.
              Come play my game.

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              • #8
                check the gearbox stats in the stats section.....

                all 106 boxes have the same ratios, only the final drive differs
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                • #9
                  Rallye's, GTi/VTS and XSi's have the same gear ratios, others differ with Diesel being the worst. But as Dave says, the 1st-2nd hole remains and the synchros are weak, MA's are not my favorite gearboxes!

                  All the following are max speeds (mph) in each gear with a 7000rpm limiter and 185/55/14 tyres.

                  Typical MA 4 speed (3.58FDR)
                  1st 40.7
                  2nd 70.7
                  3rd 113.3
                  4th 158.0

                  Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR)
                  1st 34.0
                  2nd 59.1
                  3rd 83.8
                  4th 104.3
                  5th 139.5

                  Typical 1360 (3.77 FDR)
                  1st 33.5
                  2nd 62.5
                  3rd 95.4
                  4th 118.7
                  5th 158.8

                  S1 Rallye (4.54 FDR)
                  1st 29.6
                  2nd 51.8
                  3rd 74.3
                  4th 96.2
                  5th 118.8

                  1.4 XSi (4.29 FDR)
                  1st 31.3
                  2nd 54.8
                  3rd 78.6
                  4th 101.8
                  5th 125.7

                  1.6 XSi/S2 Rallye (4.06 FDR)
                  1st 33.0
                  2nd 57.9
                  3rd 83.0
                  4th 107.6
                  5th 132.9

                  Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR)
                  1st 34.1
                  2nd 59.7
                  3rd 85.6
                  4th 110.9
                  5th 137.0


                  VTR (3.77 FDR)
                  1st 38.7
                  2nd 67.3
                  3rd 95.4
                  4th 118.7
                  5th 158.8

                  The red ones are the close ratio sets, and the others are wider spaced, but the 1.1 seems to have good 1stto 2nd spacing, but poor 2nd to 3rd

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                  • #10
                    Revs drop changing up at 7000rpm (from gear below).

                    Typical MA 4 speed (3.58FDR)

                    2nd 4000
                    3rd 4400
                    4th 5100

                    Typical 954/1124cc (4.29 FDR)

                    2nd 4150
                    3rd 5000
                    4th 5700
                    5th 5200

                    Typical 1360 (3.77 FDR)

                    2nd 3300
                    3rd 4700
                    4th 5700
                    5th 5250

                    S1 Rallye (4.54 FDR)

                    2nd 4050
                    3rd 4800
                    4th 5450
                    5th 5700

                    1.4 XSi (4.29 FDR)

                    2nd 4050
                    3rd 4800
                    4th 5450
                    5th 5700
                    1.6 XSi/S2 Rallye (4.06 FDR)

                    2nd 4050
                    3rd 4800
                    4th 5450
                    5th 5700

                    Gti/VTS (3.94 FDR)

                    2nd 4050
                    3rd 4800
                    4th 5450
                    5th 5700


                    VTR (3.77 FDR)

                    2nd 3900
                    3rd 4950
                    4th 5600
                    5th 5250

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                    • #11
                      Here are the quaife close ratio gear sets with a Gti diff ratio....

                      Quaife Low gearset (3.938 FDR)
                      1st 34.1
                      2nd 49.4 4950
                      3rd 64.7 5300
                      4th 79.4 5600
                      5th 96.6 5600

                      Quaife High gearset (3.938 FDR)
                      1st 45.9
                      2nd 66.0 4900
                      3rd 81.9 5600
                      4th 97.8 5850
                      5th 111.6 6200

                      I hope that's interesting cos it took me bloody ages!

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                      • #12
                        thanks for the hard work sandy. thats cleared things up allot. Really interesting to see how all the ratios compare, anyone know if a 1.0/1.1 gearbox will be built any weaker than say a gti/rallye gbox? Or are they all the same strength wise??

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                        • #13
                          niceone sandy! ive now got my self a copy of that! maybe this information should also be added to the spec part of the site, it gets asked quite regulary

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dave P
                            Dont all the sporty 106's use the same ratios and only the FD's change?

                            What are you looking for exactly Rich?

                            The worst thing with the MA boxes is the big hole between 1st & 2nd gear.

                            yeah thats my point, my Q is are there any other ma box's in the range that share these 'sporty' ratios, but say from a 206 or c3 as that way it'll be low millage and like new!! my wording is just probably shite!



                            sandy what a waste of time, youve bored me solid!!!


                            nice one dude

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                            • #15
                              The C2 GT uses the ratios iirc, with a 4.54 diff I think too. The only trouble is, later TU5JP4 engines has a modified crankshaft end which means the later boxes might not be compatible with earlier crankshafts. Machining would solve the problem though from what I can see.

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